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I have Anna's parents being Mike Bobbish born Nov 9, 1878(either in Austria or Zorotrove, Czekolslavia)and died October 2, 1949. Celia Patskin born 1883-5, died August 12, 1931, was the daughter of John Patskin, and her mother was Celia Orris.
Mike and Celia are both buried in Royalton Illinois.
I think we are the same family, According to the 1920 census, my grandfather Michael, born in 1880, came to america in 1900(same year), then settled in Pennsylvania until around 1908 or so, then moved to Dowell Illinois, home of Minnesota Fats(a neighbor).
I believe that Michael, is the son of John and Anna.
It is very hard to find other Bobbishes, or any information on the bobbishes, and maybe some had different spelllings. The 1920 census says that Michael stated that he was born in Austria, and so was his wife, Celia. They had 8 kids, and lived in the coal mining town.
Now that you gave me a ship name, I will try to check it out, and see the passenger list, to see if John had a son named Michael, if they even traveled together, but it was the same year.
What are your thoughts on the country of their birth being Austria?
What other info do you have? What else did Charlie Bobbish in Mass give you? and does Charlie have an email?????
Thanks for the info,
Gary
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My great grandfather John Bobbish came to the United States in 1900 on the Kaiser Wilhelm and settled first in Philadelphia, then in Pittsburgh. He married my great grandmother Anna Valechkonich, they had 10 kids (some I believe live in Illinois and others settled in Michigan). My family is still in Michigan.
This information came mostly from Charlie Bobbish of Mass. and he has given me a lot more info. You can e-mail if your interested.
Best to you,
Rex
If your "Anna" is the daughter of Michael(1880) and Celia(1883), then she was born around 1904 in Pensylvania, and then moved to Illinois in 1908, then to Royal Oak Michigan in the 1930's, and then married a post office worker who died around 1966. Are you related to Chuck and Tillie?
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The steamship KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE was built for Norddeutscher Lloyd by AG Vulcan, Stettin (ship #234), and launched on 4 May 1897. 14,349 tons; 197,7 x 20,1 meters (length x breadth); 4 funnels, 2 masts; twin-screw propulsion (triple-expansion engines), 28,000 horsepower, coal consumption 560 tons a day, service speed 22.5 knots; passenger accommodation: 332 in 1st class, 343 in 2nd class, 1,074 in steerage (1901: 400 in 1st class, 350 in 2nd class, 800 in steerage). The KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE was the first 4-funnel ship, from the time of her launch until 1899 the largest, and in 1898 the fastest ship in the world; in 1898, she carried 24 per cent of the First Class passenger revenue on the North Atlantic to New York. 19 September 1897, maiden voyage, Bremen-Southampton-New York- Plymouth-Bremen. March 1898, record passage from The Needles to Sandy Hook, in 5 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes (average speed, 22,46 knots). 1900, first German ship to have a Marconi Wireless installation. June 1900, released from the burning Norddeutscher Lloyd pier at Hoboken almost undamaged. 21 November 1906, collided at Cherbourg with the Royal Mail steamship ORINOCO, whose clipper bow tore a starboard foreward hole; dead on both vessels. 26 January-1 March 1907, cruise, New York-Mediterranean (only cruise by a Norddeutscher Lloyd "four-stacker" with paying passengers). 25 May 1907, lost her rudder on the passage from New York to Plymouth. 12 December 1910, returned from New York on one propeller at 17.5 knots, the other having been lost off Newfoundland on the outward passage. Winter 1913/14, rebuilt as an express emigrant carrier; 13,592 tons, passenger accommodation: 630 in 3rd class, 1,500 in steerage. 18 March 1914, final voyage, Bremen-New York direct (called at Plymouth and Cherbourg on the return passage). 2-4 August 1914, fitted out in Bremerhaven as a merchant cruiser. Sank three ships and stopped the British passenger ships GALICIAN and ARLANZA, which were allowed to proceed. 26 August 1914, off Rio de Oro, Spanish West Africa, overtaken by the British cruiser HMS HIGHFLYER. After a 90-minute battle, the KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE ran out of amunition, and although not badly damaged she was scuttled by her crew. The wreck was not dismantled until 1952. The ship's bell was given to the German government, which passed it on to Norddeutscher Lloyd. The KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE was top-heavy, and was known to her regular passengers as "Rolling Billy". The type of cargo she carried affected her performance: the most lively and preferred cargo to New York was full barrels of beer, the empty barrels going home. Sources: Edwin Drechsel, Norddeutscher Lloyd Bremen, 1857-1970; History, Fleet, Ship Mails, vol. 1 (Vancouver: Cordillera Pub. Co., c1994), pp. 171-172 (photographs); Arnold Kludas, Die grossen Passagierschiffe der Welt; Eine Dokumentation, Bd. 1: 1858-1912 (2nd ed.; Oldenburg/ Hamburg: Gerhard Stalling, c1972), pp. 54-55 (photograph); Noel Reginald Pixell Bonsor, North Atlantic Seaway; An Illustrated History of the Passenger Services Linking the Old World with the New (2nd ed.; Jersey, Channel Islands: Brookside Publications), vol. 2 (1978), p. 560. Also pictured in Clas Broder Hansen, Passenger liners from Germany, 1816-1990, translated from the German by Edward Force (West Chester, Pennsylvania: Schiffer Pub., c1991), p. 63. -
Citation: [Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Michael Palmer - 11 June 1998]
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Steamer Arrival Port POD1 POD2 POD3 POD4 POA1 Line
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 3/8/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 5/2/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 5/31/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 6/27/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 8/1/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 8/29/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 9/26/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 10/24/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 11/23/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 12/20/1900 Bremen New York North German Lloyd
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KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE
Norddeutscher Lloyd ship "Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse", built in 1897 by the Vulkan yard at Stettin, she was at the time the largest ship afloat. Her dimensions were 13592 tons gross, length 627.4ft, beam 66ft, depth 35.8ft and she had a speed of over 22 knots. There was accommodation for 590 1st, 370 2nd and 800 steerage class passengers. She had a straight stem, two masts and four funnels. She sailed from Bremerhaven via Southampton to NY and held the transatlantic speed record at the time. In 1914 she was taken over by the German admiralty and fitted out as a commerce raider with a naval crew. She sank two British vessels and then rendezvoused with three colliers to refuel at the Spanish West African port of Rio de Oro. After refusing the Spanish governor's requests to leave, she was caught there by the cruiser HMS Highflyer which ordered her to leave, and on her refusal, sank her in port..[Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Ted Finch - 16 June 1997]
The steamship KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE was built for Norddeutscher Lloyd by AG Vulcan, Stettin (ship #234), and launched on 4 May 1897. 14,349 tons; 197,7 x 20,1 meters (length x breadth); 4 funnels, 2 masts; twin-screw propulsion (triple-expansion engines), 28,000 horsepower, coal consumption 560 tons a day, service speed 22.5 knots; passenger accommodation: 332 in 1st class, 343 in 2nd class, 1,074 in steerage (1901: 400 in 1st class, 350 in 2nd class, 800 in steerage). The KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE was the first 4-funnel ship, from the time of her launch until 1899 the largest, and in 1898 the fastest ship in the world; in 1898, she carried 24 per cent of the First Class passenger revenue on the North Atlantic to New York. 19 September 1897, maiden voyage, Bremen-Southampton-New York- Plymouth-Bremen. March 1898, record passage from The Needles to Sandy Hook, in 5 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes (average speed, 22,46 knots). 1900, first German ship to have a Marconi Wireless installation. June 1900, released from the burning Norddeutscher Lloyd pier at Hoboken almost undamaged. 21 November 1906, collided at Cherbourg with the Royal Mail steamship ORINOCO, whose clipper bow tore a starboard foreward hole; dead on both vessels. 26 January-1 March 1907, cruise, New York-Mediterranean (only cruise by a Norddeutscher Lloyd "four-stacker" with paying passengers). 25 May 1907, lost her rudder on the passage from New York to Plymouth. 12 December 1910, returned from New York on one propeller at 17.5 knots, the other having been lost off Newfoundland on the outward passage. Winter 1913/14, rebuilt as an express emigrant carrier; 13,592 tons, passenger accommodation: 630 in 3rd class, 1,500 in steerage. 18 March 1914, final voyage, Bremen-New York direct (called at Plymouth and Cherbourg on the return passage). 2-4 August 1914, fitted out in Bremerhaven as a merchant cruiser. Sank three ships and stopped the British passenger ships GALICIAN and ARLANZA, which were allowed to proceed. 26 August 1914, off Rio de Oro, Spanish West Africa, overtaken by the British cruiser HMS HIGHFLYER. After a 90-minute battle, the KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE ran out of amunition, and although not badly damaged she was scuttled by her crew. The wreck was not dismantled until 1952. The ship's bell was given to the German government, which passed it on to Norddeutscher Lloyd. The KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE was top-heavy, and was known to her regular passengers as "Rolling Billy". The type of cargo she carried affected her performance: the most lively and preferred cargo to New York was full barrels of beer, the empty barrels going home. Sources: Edwin Drechsel, Norddeutscher Lloyd Bremen, 1857-1970; History, Fleet, Ship Mails, vol. 1 (Vancouver: Cordillera Pub. Co., c1994), pp. 171-172 (photographs); Arnold Kludas, Die grossen Passagierschiffe der Welt; Eine Dokumentation, Bd. 1: 1858-1912 (2nd ed.; Oldenburg/ Hamburg: Gerhard Stalling, c1972), pp. 54-55 (photograph); Noel Reginald Pixell Bonsor, North Atlantic Seaway; An Illustrated History of the Passenger Services Linking the Old World with the New (2nd ed.; Jersey, Channel Islands: Brookside Publications), vol. 2 (1978), p. 560. Also pictured in Clas Broder Hansen, Passenger liners from Germany, 1816-1990, translated from the German by Edward Force (West Chester, Pennsylvania: Schiffer Pub., c1991), p. 63. - [Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Michael Palmer - 11 June 1998]
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KAISER WILHELM II (1)
The "Kaiser Wilhelm II" was built by A.G.Vulkan at Stettin in 1889 for Norddeutscher Lloyd [North German Lloyd]. Her dimensions were 4773 gross tons,Length 449.6ft x beam 51ft, Two funnels, four masts, single screw and a speed of 16 knots. There was accommodation for 120-1st, 80-2nd and 1,000-3rd class passengers. Launched on 23/4/1889 she sailed from Bremen on her maiden voyage for Southampton and New York on 27/8/1889 and was then put straight onto the Bremen - Suez - Australia service. After six round voyages she was rebuilt to 6661 tons and on 22/10/1892 she sailed from Bremen for Southampton and NY. On 30/11/1892 she was transferred to the Genoa - Naples - NY service until on 5/6/1893 she sank at her berth at Genoa. She was refloated and on 8/7/1893 resumed the Bremen - Southampton - NY service until 8/11/1893 when she went back to the Genoa - Naples - NY run. On 18/12/1900 she left New York on her last voyage to Naples and Genoa and was then renamed "Hohenzollern" Between 9/1/1901 and 21/5/1906 she ran between Genoa, Naples and New York and subsequently ran within the Mediterranean. On 10/5/1908 she ran aground at Alghero, Sardinia, was refloated and scrapped in Italy. [Posted to the Emigration-Ships Mailing List by Ted Finch - 12 September 1997]
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KAISER WILHELM II (2)
The "Kaiser Wilhelm II (2)" was built by A.G.Vulcan, Stettin for Norddeutscher Lloyd [North German Lloyd] in 1902. She was a 19,361 gross ton ship, length 684.3ft x beam 72.3ft, four funnels, three masts, twin screw and a speed of 23 knots. There was accommodation for 775-1st, 343-2nd and 770-3rd class passengers. Launched on 12/8/1902, she left Bremen on her maiden voyage to Southampton, Cherbourg and New York on 14/4/1903. In 1904 she made a record run from Cherbourg to Sandy Hook and in Sept.1906 broke the record between Sandy Hook and Eddystone (5 days, 11 hours, 58 mins at average speed of 23.58 knots). On 28.7.1914 she commenced her last voyage from Bremen - Southampton Cherbourg - New York, arriving on 5th Aug. She then took refuge in New York due to the outbreak of the Great War, and in April 1917 was seized by US authorities and renamed "Agamemnon". In 1919 she want to the US shipping board and in 1927 was renamed "Monticello". She was scrapped at Baltimore in 1940. [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 3 November 1997]
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